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Hello All - I am a complete noob to boating, I have a family of five with 3 small kids - one 12 (90 lbs) one 9 (60 lbs) and a newborn, this will be our first boat, I am considering a 2004 180ssi with the volvo 3.0, I have heard from mostly 4.3 people, and they say that setup won't even get me (225lbs) out of the water for anything, and it probably wont plane a three person tube, etc. But I have also heard when I spoke with my chap dealer that the 180 is a pretty zippy little boat - even with the 3.0 and with the V-plane design of chap it just gets on plane faster than the others of similar size and weight- is that really true? They said don't discount it for exactly what I want to do which is cruising, tubing and have the ability to wakeboard and maybe even ski in the future. Is all this possible in that little 180 with a 3.0? I would really like to hear from people that have this boat or have had this boat so I can get some direct feedback from those who have experienced it- HELP and Thanks!P.S. pricing discussion not permitted Thanks to all for your help! Edited June 1, 2010 by Chaparral Web Teampricing discussion not permitted.

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The Extended V-Plane hull is no snake oil; it works very well. The 180 SSi will work with the 3.0L, but I make no qualms that I'm not a fan of the Iron Duke. 4.3L would be my choice.

Members such as have a 180 SSi with a 3.0L and plenty of on water boating and extensive automotive background. Do a search and find his previous posts on this exact issue.Personally, my choice for your size of family and needs would be an '01-'03 Chaparral 186/196 SSi. Or '04 190/200 SSi. (same boats) Adding or finding such a boat with an extended swim platform and V6 power or larger is my advice if fiscally possible.Finding such models with an EFI engine vs. Carb is money well spent too IMO.An example of such an inquiry as yours. I can't speak to how effective the 3.0 would be for you but I can tell you that a 180 with a 4.3 has some pop.

A few years ago I faced the same decision that you're facing. My kids are not old enough yet to ski or tube but I'm very glad I went with a little bigger engine. Planes very fast and will pop them, or me, out of the water with no problem.

Extra horsepower is like a gun: Its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. You don't want to go with a 3.0 only to be out looking for a 4.3 next year. Not trying to rip those with a 3.0. Just my opinion. Whats a fair price range for this boat? It says about $8000 on NADA and about $12,000 on BucValu.com I live in southeastern Washington State in a sunny area on the Columbia river and boats seem to go for more here than in our nearest large cities, (Seattle and Portland) but thats a big range of $$$ Thanks to all for your help!I just bought a 2003 180SS. I did all kinds of research on it's value.

Retail in good condition is around pricing discussion not permitted I called my bank and they said the 90% loan value was pricing discussion not permitted I'll let you know how the 4.3 does today and try to estimate what at 3.0 would be like. I've got a 3.0 and have been able to get planed out with a full load (6 ppl) in half a minute or so and would think that you'll be able to enjoy this set up for several years. If you're just starting out, this is great set up to learn on and you won't immediately outgrow it. Glory brings up a good point about kids and friends, however. I wouldn't want to have 5 others with me every time I went out. If you can go bigger, do it! If you're looking for a starter boat for the next 3 or 4 years, I doubt you'd be disappointed with her.

I'm 195# and the admiral pulls me up no problem, especially since dropping to a 17' pitched prop. Top speed with a 19' pitch, alone on flat water was 39 mph per my gps and a couple slower with the 17. We can cruise at 2700 rpm all day and do it cheaply! Good luck and don't forget that safe boating course once you've chosen! Especially with kids, the 3.0 just isn't going to have the get up and go like the 4.7 will. I have a 5.0 V8 in mine and it sutis it just perfectly. We can get to a top end of about 53mph.

Also, its a carborated. I swore I would never buy a carborated engine with all this new technology, but I did. Just one prime in the beginning gets it started on the first turn, and is a real trooper when it comes to the turning off and starting right back up when loading skiers.Also, like some other people have said, its better to have too much power and not use it than to have not enough and need it.

Just my opinion. Especially with kids, the 3.0 just isn't going to have the get up and go like the 4.7 will. I have a 5.0 V8 in mine and it sutis it just perfectly. We can get to a top end of about 53mph.

Also, its a carborated. I swore I would never buy a carborated engine with all this new technology, but I did. Just one prime in the beginning gets it started on the first turn, and is a real trooper when it comes to the turning off and starting right back up when loading skiers.Also, like some other people have said, its better to have too much power and not use it than to have not enough and need it. Just my opinion.I don't think the 180 is offered with a V-8 engine.

I have the 180 with the 3.0 (2005) model, and with the 19' pitch prop I can get up to around 46 mph on gps. If you have the money, go with the 4.3. You won't gain much top end (5-6 mph I believe), but you will gain torque. That said, I have had no problems with the 3.0 pulling up skiers, tubes, kneeboards, wake boards, and slalom.

Slalom takes a little longer because of the lack of torque. With only my wife and I aboard the boat planes almost instantly, with almost no bow rise. Since you are buying a used boat, I'm guessing that you don't have an engine option. Take a test ride, and bring along all the gear and passengers you will have on a typical day. Then decide if it suits your needs. I don't think the 180 is offered with a V-8 engine. I have the 180 with the 3.0 (2005) model, and with the 19' pitch prop I can get up to around 46 mph on gps.

If you have the money, go with the 4.3. You won't gain much top end (5-6 mph I believe), but you will gain torque. That said, I have had no problems with the 3.0 pulling up skiers, tubes, kneeboards, wake boards, and slalom. Slalom takes a little longer because of the lack of torque. With only my wife and I aboard the boat planes almost instantly, with almost no bow rise. Since you are buying a used boat, I'm guessing that you don't have an engine option. Take a test ride, and bring along all the gear and passengers you will have on a typical day.

Then decide if it suits your needs.I totally agree with your assessment of the 3.0L 180, mine performs as you stated. But I've given up attempting to stick-up for the little engine (and boat) that could. Especially to people that have never driven one!

I would never argue that the 3.0 can do what a 4.3 can do. But in this world of size is all that matters, it's seems impossible to make some people understand. So now I just tell everbody to buy the biggest, baddest boat they can with the biggest engine possible. This way my advice falls in line with the general population of 'boaters'. I totally agree with your assessment of the 3.0L 180, mine performs as you stated.

But I've given up attempting to stick-up for the little engine (and boat) that could. Especially to people that have never driven one! I would never argue that the 3.0 can do what a 4.3 can do. But in this world of size is all that matters, it's seems impossible to make some people understand. So now I just tell everbody to buy the biggest, baddest boat they can with the biggest engine possible. This way my advice falls in line with the general population of 'boaters'.So you agree with me?

Lol Considering you have the same set up, maybe someone will believe you now. And I'm in no way trying to sell them on the 3.0L, what I stated above was factual data. I have a 310 sig with twin 5.0L v-8's, and I was told that it was underpowered. I can run upper 40's (mph) on gps, and cruise at 30-32 mph getting 1.4 mpg, which in my book is very efficient.

The only reason I could see having bigger engines would be to run 50+ mph, which I would probably only do once or twice, since I've only been above 35 mph a hand full of times anyway in that boat. I think the 3.0 will have enough power for what you would like to do. Let me give you an example.My friend, let's call him 'Danny'.well that's his real name, but I digress.At any rate, Danny has a '91 17' Maxum with the 3.0/alpha 1. This boat has been maintained mostly by his grandfather.

Well, 'maintained' is a very loose term. I guess when describing the word 'maintain' with respect to Danny's grandfather, the word 'neglect' comes to mind. I think he winterized the engine 3 times in the past 7 years.Normally when we take Danny's boat out it runs for 1 day out of a weekend, and then something breaks. Once the steering cable broke, and we used a pot for bailing (the bilge pump is also kaput) to steer the boat home. Another time the starting solenoid broke, so we had to jam a screwdriver into the starter to crank the engine.

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To top it off, the propeller looks like it was used to crack rocks at a gravel plant. But there was never a problem with the engine itself.The normal ritual for unpacking Danny's boat after a hard winter is removing the shredded tarp from the cockpit and then raking the leaves from the floor, then pulling the drain plug to let the rest of the water that has accumulated in the hull to drain. If anyone had pity on Danny's boat, they would pour a bottle of 'clunker bomb' into the gas tank and let the engine die with dignhity. At any rate, I am laboring the poor condition of Danny's boat so that you can get an idea for the level of hardship that his 3.0L engine has endured over the past few years.That being said, Danny weighs about 230 lbs, I weigh about 245 lbs, my friend Nathan (who is usually also on the boat) weighs 265 lbs, plus we normally have 2 girls with us @ about a buck 30 each. So, we're probably looking at about 1000 lbs of swinging beef.

Believe it or not, this boat will perform with all of the above described on board. With just and Nathan on board, it will get Danny up on skis (after a 15 second fight to get Danny out of the water).Its no hot rod, but if the poor thing was just maintained, it would have plenty more power! I think the 3.0 is a great engine! If it has survived Danny's grandfather, it will most likely survive your family as well! I am not saying you are going to be leaving Reggie Fountain in your wake, but the 3.0 will not disappoint you in everyday boating.

Good luck with your purchase! I don't think the 180 is offered with a V-8 engine.

I have the 180 with the 3.0 (2005) model, and with the 19' pitch prop I can get up to around 46 mph on gps. If you have the money, go with the 4.3. You won't gain much top end (5-6 mph I believe), but you will gain torque. That said, I have had no problems with the 3.0 pulling up skiers, tubes, kneeboards, wake boards, and slalom. Slalom takes a little longer because of the lack of torque. With only my wife and I aboard the boat planes almost instantly, with almost no bow rise.

Since you are buying a used boat, I'm guessing that you don't have an engine option. Take a test ride, and bring along all the gear and passengers you will have on a typical day.

Then decide if it suits your needs.I actually have a 186. Does that make any difference?? I know its an upgraded engine because I looked at the papers from when it was new and it said the engine was upgraded from a 4.3L to the 5.0L that we have now. Maybe that extra '6' on the 180 makes all the difference. Based on how my 215 ssi does with the 4.3 (on plane in just a few seconds and tops out at 50) which is a bigger and heavier boat than the 180, I'll bet the 3.0 liter will do fine.

If you get the boat - have Smart tabs installed and it will plane even quicker and at lower speeds. I'm having them installed on my boat as we speak.Would like to see a pic of those smart tabs.

Had them on my old boat and worked great. Not sure where to put them on the 215.

Other than e-mailing John at Nauticus I am just am a little perplexed. Yesterday we had six people (about 1050lbs) and pulling 2 tubes, had a little hard time getting up. Drawback of the cuddy,open bows can put people in front.